After his success with the AR 10/15/16/18 series of rifles, designer Eugene Stoner went on to develop the Stoner 63 weapons system with the Cadillac Gage company. The Stoner 63 was in many ways a natural evolution of the AR15 rifle, with a strong emphasis on modularity.
The driving idea behind the Stoner was to use a single receiver for an entire family of weapons. The stocks, barrels, sights, feed assemblies, trigger assemblies and other main components were all modular and interchangeable. Some configuration changes were relatively simply, like changing between rifle and carbine – the carbine used a shorter barrel and folding buttstock. The more impressive design achievement was the ability to flip the receiver over to change from shoulder rifle to light machine gun configuration.
The rifle and carbine designs use a gas piston on top of the barrel and magazine fed from the bottom. The accommodate a belt feed, though, the belt needs to be fed from the top of the gun, which thus requires the gas piston to be on the bottom (you can see this on virtually every gas operated LMG, like the Bren and BAR families). The Stoner allow the rifle receiver to be rotated 180 degrees and mount the LMG components in this way.
Other features included a fixed vehicle mount design fired by solenoid, and tripod adapter to allow the gun to be used with the standard US machine gun tripods of the day.
The Stoner was used experimentally by special forces in Vietnam, though it was eventually declined for regular issue due to high maintenance requirements.During the procurement process, a number of modifications were requested by the military, which resulted in the development of the Stoner 63A – most significantly a change to right-hand feeding for the belt fed models, to eliminate the problem of ejected casings bouncing back into the feed port and causing malfunctions.
We have a preliminary official manuals for the Rifle, LMG, and MMG configurations of the Stoner 63/63A, as well as a sales brochure for the weapons system, a Cadillac-Gage report on the design changes from the 63 to 63A variant, and a maintenance annex to the testing reports on the 63. These are available here, as well as on the Original Manuals page in the Vault.
Stoner 63 System sales brochure (English)
Stoner 63A rifle manual (English)
Stoner 63A LMG manual (English)
Stoner 63 MMG manual (English)
Annex to Service and Troop Tests, Stoner 63 System (English)
Cadillac-Gage Engineering Change Report for Stoner 63A (English)
Thanks for this collections of manuals !!! I was waiting for this post and it’s great!
Today we talk a lot about a modular firearm to replace AR15 platform guns… Just look at this gun. This is the most modular weapon system I’ve ever seen !!! It’s simply genius ! I like Stoner 63 system !
It appears that the 63A Rifle manual and the Annex are both damaged files. Otherwise, this is an excellent post!
Sorry guys – I fixed the two files, so they should work now.
Wow,
Thanks for this incredible weapon information,
I been waiting for it too long but no info available elsewhere…
I had repaired those 2 pdf files,Annex have a better graphics manual than other one black and white color..
i wish someone will upload Franchi LF57 smg manual anytime sooner..
interesting that the 63a has a side folding stock instead of the later underfolding one…
It is finally here! info about the Stoner 63. Thanks guys. I was wishing for info on how to change to the different types of the Stoner, but this is awesome enough for me to understand now.
thank you for this post excellent information
couldn’t find it anywhere else
Thank you for uploading the manuals. The Stoner 63A is one of the finest weapons ever designed and my favorite belt fed to shoot.
I worked with Gene Stoner at Cadillac Gage Company while the Stoner 63 system was being developed. As someone commented, the system was able to do many different things with very little adapting. One variant that I designed was a backpack to hold the ammunition belts that were used on the helicopter fixed weapons. Each belt held 300 rounds of ammunition and was wound in a spiral. It was designed so the crew could remove the Stoner and ammunition belts to be used if the copter was disabled. It enabled a small crew to carry a lot of firepower if they were shot down.
There were many interesting projects during Stoner’s time at Cadillac Gage. Once, they mounted a weapon in a vice to film the firing mechanism in action. It was aimed a thick armor plate to deflect the rounds down into a bucket containing two feet of sand. When we finished, we found that every shot after being deflected 90 degrees had gone through the sand and the bottom of the bucket. They were buried in the concrete that it was sitting on.
Sir,
I was wondering if you had any more info on the rear sight differences between the 63 and 63A rifle. I know a lot of rifles had their parts mixed and am trying to figure out the reasoning between the 4 and 5 hole variants and if they were designed for a specific variant. Thank you.
Ian,
i know this is late but I just saw this when following another link.
Looking at all the information I have the 5 hole rear sight housings for the rifle/carbine configurations are only found on Stoner 63A guns. I am not sure if they introduced the 5 hole with the 63A upgrade but all the 63A brochures have the 5 hole sight while all the 63 ones have the 4 hole. i do not believe their is any difference in the two other than the number of holes and the tension spring shape stamped into the housing bottom. Just e-mail me if you have any questions or need pictures.
I was one of the lucky few who got to “test” the 63A in EWAT at hunter ligget and another place. not sure if that one is still classified, but I doubt it. Outstand in light machine gun mode, belt-fed.
Love this weapon. As a Title 2 mfg. years ago, I acquired an original transferable 63….and then years later I bought a 50 gallon drum full of demilled Stoner’s….belt fed, rifle, Bren-style lmg’s. These came out of Crane NWS. Eventually I assembled a few post-86 DS firearms. Lots of fun shooting them. I still have lots of parts.
Are there any photographs of the other side folding stock options?
Thanks!
The side-folding hinge is a separate item that can be screwed to the standard black plastic stock. Or it has a rubber coated tube stock welded to the hinge. I have both….and it locks up guten-tight. The top cover and feed tray have to be lifted up….and the tube stock folds right up against the receiver….then the top cover and feed tray can be lowered. If I could download pics….I’d send one.
David
Thanks,
Needed some info on Stoner’s original work
Joel
what is a stoner 63 right hand feed LMG worth today? how marketable are they? where could parts be found?
The United States Marine Corps tested the Stoner 63 from May, 1964, through basic training at Parris Island and beyond for 6 months with one platoon, 236, now known as the Stoner Platoon.
This platoon currently holds annual reunions, having recently done it’s 50th, and will be together again in May, 2015. This platoon and it’s drill instructors worked with firing, cleaning, and developing a manual of arms for the Stoner which proved to be an excellent weapon.
Nearly all the members of the platoon are back together lacking only a few out of touch men we can’t find. We also know of those that are on the Vietnam Memorial Wall. Semper Fi !
Dragon – McDog here, another Stoner Platoon member who was also part of the testing at PI, ITR and A/1/8 at Lejeune. Love this weapon system and what’s incredible is that it could still be the US’s weapon system today with a few updates. Eugene Stoner was genius. Semper Fi.
I was issued a Stoner 63 in Vietnam. It was the best weapon I’ve ever used. Sure saved my butt on many occasions. L Co/3rd Bn/1st Marine Division Vietnam 1966-1967
Is there any truth to the rumor that the Chicago Police Department received a large order of Stoner63’s…?
Hello friends of Stoner.
I recently purchased Stoner 63A Mk.23 in airsoft version, as real steel would cost me even my pants (and nearly impossible to get it in Europe).
Like the concept, size etc. My question is, what clothing, camouflage pattern and harness did you guys used in Vietnam?
I would like to get the reenactment as close as possible.
Thank you for your time.
When we were testing the Stoner, we were not wearing camos. We wore the standard jungle utilities, light weight greens. I converted the sling to a “jungle sling” using the ring and strap section of a pair of belt suspenders. Allowed the rifle to remain pointed down range while sling rested on your shoulder. I was in L/3/1 1966-1967.
Hello,
than you for your input.
Greetings Jan
I served in the same unit, and sent to the hospital in Japan Yokohama (July 1967)
Hey Robert,
Hope all is well. there are some of us still around. I’m in touch with Joe Gibbs(LtCol then Capt.I was Company radio op for Capt Gibbs. Steve Pflueger still kicking, as well as Steve Bailey, Jim (JR) Kenney and soon.
Semper fi,
Dave
Spoke with the folks at Robinson Arms a previous manufacturer of the Stoner63A. They intend to re-release the Stoner 63A in 2019
Dave’s description is complete I used the Stoner 63a rifle with the jungle swing slang, and have pictures of the stoner in Vietnam. Robinson Arms made a remake of the stoner and I have one. It’s called Robinson Arms M 96. When I was 19 it was a hell of a weapon.
Mr Moses,
I am a Swedish military history author and I am looking for pictures on the Stoner 63A weapon system in Vietnam. Are you willing to share some of your pictures?
Br, Henrik Jansson
As a Vietnam Veteran (US Navy) We had ample access to “mammies”- usually Tiger Stripe or Woodland camouflage, sometimes, spray painting black stripe on issue jungle fatigues. Hope this helps. Worked with SEALs regularly, built two restored 63 LMG’s, currently working on a 63 rifle. Parts kits (really screwed up) are available here. I don’t know how it is in Europe. Good luck, any questions shoot me an email. Best, jay BK
My brother Ernest aka Butch was in the original Marine test platoon. Looking for information on the test platoons reunions. Thank you!
Bruce, there is one every year, usually on East Coast. I get to those on West Coast only.
S/F
Dave
Bruce, we’re having our 55th at PI with all the guys we can gather including our Senior DI Charlie Edwards and his wife Terry. Your welcome to join us. We all remember Ernie every year with a toast.
Bruce – Steve McD here, one of Ernie’s stoner platoon buddies. We honor Ernie every year at our reunions. 2019 reunion held in PI with SSgt Charlie Edwards – our Sr. DI in attendance. He turned Mustang and retired as a Capt. We had and always do – have a great time. Next reunion not yet set. When it is, we’ll let you know. Just email me.
Steve McD,
Please keep me posted on the next reunion. My email: bruce.e.laroche@gmail.com
Would be great meeting the men that served with my brother.
I was fortunate to have this weapon in Vietnam. I was in L Company, 3rd Battallion 1st Marine Division, L-3-1. I (we) tested the Stoner in combat. It’s the finest weapon I’ve ever fired. Sure saved my ass. When ambushed, we were able to return fire with a fury. The Stoner was originally fitted with a 30 rd. Magazine (banana shaped) while at the time M-16 weapons only had 20 rd mags. What a difference when we needed suppressing fire. Many of us taped the mags back to back enabling us to fire 60 rds almost uninterrupted. Just what was needed in an ambush.
The Stoner was not adopted by the USMC more because of Politics than anything else. Maintenance was just an excuse.
If only this weapon had been well received! Dave Berutich is absolutely right about this piece of hardware, especially with regards to the politics angle. personally, (and remember, I’m an idiot, so dont take my words to heart or anything, because I’m a dumb, stupid, literally retarded, subhuman,ignorant f**king man) The M16/AR-15 family of rifles was a mistake. Again, politics may have prevailed. The m14 was a better rifle, its main failing was not performing so well in dense terrain of SE Asia. There’s a damn good reason it’s still a DM rifle! If we used the M14 (or its derivatives) as the primary infantry battle rifle and the Stoner 63 (or ITS derivatives) as a LMG or SAW… who knows.
I used the stoner for the few months we had them. Gene stoner was present in the area we used to test firevthe weapon . Very light and we were able to carry more ammo.
Ian, YOUR TEST FIRING STONER 63 VIDEO IS THE MOST IMPORTANT WEAPONS FIRING VIDEO I’VE EVER SEEN BECAUSE YOU REVEAL THAT ITS ABILITY TO BE FIRED ON FULL AUTO WHILE MAINTAINING AIMING! Why the SEALs retired this is absolutely nuts in light of their full auto fire TTPE3.
CAN YOU GET A STONER 62 and test fire this system in 7.62mm x 51mm NATO–which we desperately need to overmatch enemies in open terrain deserts and mountains.
How HEAVY were the Stoner 62 variants?
Stoner 62 might be far lighter and superior than even our lightweight 7.62mm FN M240 variants.