If you had to pick one, would you take a Sten MkII or an Ingram M10/9? This applies specifically to the guns in their original factory configurations; no Lage products allowed! It’s hard to come up with a mass-production SMG that isn’t obviously better than a MkII Sten, but the stock Ingrams might make the cut…the MAC is a more compact package, but has even worse handling than the Sten in some ways (which is a remarkable achievement!). So if you have to pick one, which would it be?
Single Shot Rifles
Hall Breechloading Carbine at RIA
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Semiauto pistol
Webley 1913 Semiauto Pistol: Shooting
Following up on yesterday’s history and disassembly of the Webley 1913, today I am taking one of them out to the range. Courtesy of Mike Carrick from Arms Heritage magazine, I am shooting original WWI […]
Accessories
Two Strange Project SPIW Magazines (Video)
Today we are taking a look at two unusual magazines from unusual firearms. These are a 60-round double-column mag from a Springfield 1964 SPIW bullpup and a 50-round box magazine from an AAI XM-19 serial […]
sten! I’ve shot both stock and it’s more easily controllable
Regarding magazine loading keep in mind that STEN magazine was supposed to be used in conjunction with FILLER to facilitate loading, see https://youtu.be/1-n-NwjRm5w?t=180 Was similar device offered for Ingram, if yes how much years after introduction of magazine itself?
The Sten.
If you run out of ammo, or the gun stops working, you can use it as a club.
Links to add-ons from Richard Lague(sp?)?
Max-11.com
Lage manufacturing: https://www.max-11.com/M11.php
See also: https://www.forgottenweapons.com/ians-customs-lage-max11a1-15-light-machine-gun/
Choose the Sten Mark II if you value historical significance, simplicity, and reliability. Opt for the Ingram MAC-11 if you need a modern, compact weapon with a high rate of fire for tactical applications. Your choice should ultimately align with your specific needs and preferences.
I fit a Suomi butt stock and made a wooden forearm for my STEN. Now it’s super comfortable to shoot. Sometimes problems just need a little bit of work to fix.
“(…)a little bit of work(…)”
If you need STENoid with better ergonomics at cost of being more work-requiring to make then use ROFSTEN https://guns.fandom.com/wiki/ROFSTEN
In defense of MAC, a modified version was maybe the 6th or 7th subgun i ever shot.
Had a wooden Uzi stock, a faux silencer fore end and some severe rate reduction.
Was actually very controllable, easy to keep 2-3 round bursts on a 12” plate at like 35 yards.
In today’s world of widely-available intermediate cartridge assault rifles, the tactical utility of anything vaguely submachinegun-like is questionable.
Even for police roles/missions.
Given that, I’d suggest making your choice based on whatever floats your boat the highest. Historical? STEN. Modern tacticool? Ingram.
Personally, I think that a lot of the reason that the Ingram didn’t go anywhere with an actual military contract had a lot to do with that entire “short/small” issue; if you’ve ever seen a submachinegun firer lose control of their gun, you’ll know it’s usually because they’ve managed to somehow munge it all up. Observed a small-frame individual suffer either a failure to get their Uzi stock into a locked condition or said stock collapsed on them, and because of the way the damn thing was being held, it wound up spraying 9mm everywhere. Only by the grace of an exceedingly generous God did they manage to miss everyone on the firing line, that day.
My take is that anything that doesn’t have a good, solid stock and some actual length on it that affords a proper forward grip is a bad, bad idea for most shooters. I would not procure a folding-stock Uzi or Ingram that didn’t have a full-time suppressor on it for love nor money… Accidents waiting to happen in the hands of the inexperienced.
Oh, BTW… That spinning Uzi of death? In the hands of a Federal agent, doing training on a military range they’d done a “straphang” on, rather than open one for themselves. I threw them off of it after that display of weapons-handling skill. They were outraged, seeming to think that such idiocy was “normal”. Being as we had a heavily trafficked civilian road behind us, I wasn’t happy about it, at all.
The MAC saw some combat with some SA REECE comandos.