Hi-Point has chosen to release a new carbine, the Model 3095 – in 7.65mm French Long! Well, not quite…it’s actually in .30 Super Carry. But it will run 7.65mm French Long, so I clearly need to have one…
If you are familiar with the other carbine Hi-Point makes, you will find no surprises in this one. It’s the same simple blowback action, with 10-round single-stack magazines (which are specific to .30 Super Carry, and not interchangeable with 9mm).
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Hilarious the way Ian uses the rifle to censor the French painting in the background (containing a woman, a real one, not a Bud Light woman, baring her… main armament).
A Hi-Point that takes Glock mags would sell like crazy, especially if they renounced their commitment to gratuitous ugliness.
I wonder why nobody has tried building a replacement grip already. Or the aftermarket has not offered it already. But it would make it more expensive and the price move closer to a cheap Glock (on sale, trade in, pawn shop, whatever) making it pointless. Hipoint’s unique selling point is being very cheap and reasonably reliable.
ZEV is a Gucci Glock manufacturer not known for affordability (mostly IMHO because their slides are covered in garish, gamer-skin cosmetic machining), but their grip frames are surprisingly affordable ($42 at my LGS) and attach via a single pin.
Redesigning their receiver to interface with it (and the bolt to clear the wider mag) would take a little doing, but it would also bring Hi-Point’s already reliable and accurate (not to mention more compact because the mag’s in the grip where pistol-cartridge mags belong) PCC up to par in the one area where it’s lacking.
https://www.hightowerarmory.com/Hi-Point-Carbine-Accessories_c_19.html
Ha-ha! The poor man’s AUG! Or, in the lingo these days: “A Hi-Point AUG for the poors!” Even if the stock addition doubles the price of the Hi-Point, it’s still far and away less expensive than, say, an actual AUG. I guess the black stock could even be a poor man’s FAMAS, oui ou non?
check out high tower stock for the hi point carbines, changes the whole game
I’m working on a custom Hi-Point that will eventually take double stack mags. it’s also in a wood stock. once all my testing is done I’ll be selling them as drop in kits.
I’m working on a wood stock conversion right now. it will eventually take double stack mags. look at Project Trench Rat on Facebook. I hope to get it into production as a drop in kit.
A Hi Point is ugly for the same reason a Sten MK II is. Form follows function and getting it done as sturdy as possible at the lowest price feasible.
They’re decent choices for utility arms for people who can’t afford Mini-14s.
clear ether
eon
Not remotely. A STEN epitomizes utilitarian form-follows-function. It is a roundbar milled to fit through mag feed lips, bouncing in a round tube, with either the stamped outline of a traditional riflestock, or an even simpler bar with buttplate. A TEC-9 is a rough equivalent for the polymer era.
A Hi Point is someone’s idea of Space Agey futurism, with all sorts of swoops and cutouts and steps that serve no function, plus functional (but odd / unconventional) textures.
I’m working on a custom Hi-Point that will eventually take glock mags. it’s also in a wood stock.
That’s great to hear! I wish you the best, and look forward to seeing what you can do.
I can’t post pictures here but if you go to my Facebook group there is the full build and tons of pictures.
how long until high point makes a carbine in .223?
All of hipoint’s hubs are functionally pretty much the same: unlocked mass delayed pistols and pistol caliber carbines. Basically they offer two different guns, but in a plethora of different calibers. What I really like about the company is, that they are self aware about what they are manufacturing and selling and instead of claiming to have most special tactical fighting guns or olympic competition guns, they make special runs like the “yeet cannon” and I think made a “point 40 problem solva” as well. They make cheap, simple decently reliable firearms for people that just need a cheap firearm for the nightstand. Or for the fun of it. I would really like to see statistics who buys the guns actually.
To circle back to the starting point, I very much doubt they are going to make a .223 firearm any time soon, becuae it would require completely new tooling (expensive) and they would either have to build it with a silly heavy bolt to contain .223 in an unlocked gun or make it use some kind of locking. Increasing the price by a lot and the market for cheap locked breach .223 rifles is pretty much filled with the ubiquitous ar-15 from the cheap brands. Or you assemble on yourself from parts baugjt when on sale here and there.
Guns not hubs. What did that bloody phone do there?
I understand that completely, and definitely not fiscally possible, but it would be an interesting engineering project.
“How would Hipoint build an StG45”
Or a gas-retarded blowback like the VGI 1-5. The Hi Point geometry would seem well suited to this sort of action.
cheers
eon
But 5.56 really isn’t. As I’m sure you know, the VG 1-5 is really a blowback with its recoil stroke buffered by gas from slamming into the receiver, but with no initial delay. 7.92Kurz let them get away with it by being a relatively low-pressure, short pressure duration, short, tapered tough steel case. 5.56 is near the opposite end of the spectrum in every one of those blowback-tolerant features.
5.56 and 7.92 Kurz don’t differ all that much pressure wise and 5.7×28 and 30 super carry are also close to 5.56 pressure wise and have had blowback weapons built for them. I agree though about the faster powder being used in the above cartridges though. using the conservation of momentum formula suggests a bolt of 2.6 pounds assuming the bolt velocity of the vg 1-5 could be used. that’s essentially a wsl in .351 so doable in theory.
It’s not about matching bolt velocity; it’s about choosing a bolt velocity that allows pressure to drop from its starting point (10kpsi above any of those for 5.56, and much longer through that long, sharply bottlenecked case in addition to the powder factor you mentioned) before the powder-chamber part emerges from the barrel chamber.
all good points, you are right matching the pressure time curve is more important than just using a similar bolt velocity. I just used that as a simple analysis to show a point. I would just love to see a blowback 5.56 built to see how close the bolt mass I assumed was. blowback weapons have been built in rifle calibers but who knows how well or if at all. that’s the grey area ud love to explore
*drop from its starting point . . . to a safe level before the powder-chamber part of the case emerges from the barrel chamber.
Dan,
You’re right. Blowbacks are feasible for any cartridge including autocannon shells as long as you’re willing to deal with the bolt mass, which wouldn’t be too drastic for 5.56.
I wouldn’t like to be a beta tester if zinc-loving Hi Point tried one, though. Along those lines, I’ve long been curious about the potential to use tubing for SMG / PCC slides or telescoped bolts. Aircraft tubing could easily be made to work for 5.56 (and mild steel for pistol cartridges).
you mean off the shelf drawn tubing? I’m sure it would work. after all the vg 1-5 slide is essentially cheap low quality steel tubing with a capability to insert a metal bolt face of different steel for it’s material properties. if all you need is mass, and it doesn’t take the stress of the cartridge base pushing against it or the rigors of feeding, and material would do. it just needs to bear the stress of the bolt reciprocating and wear from the receiver/ whatever else it touches.
Dan,
Yes, exactly that. “Tubing” evokes a STENishly thin and weak image, but I’ve seen aircraft 4130 up to 1/4″ wall 1 1/4″ OD (similar to an original Mauser receiver, and of better / more consistent quality).
“(…)STENishly(…)”
If you need blow-back fire-arm chambered for 5,56×45 cartridge and akin to STEN in aesthetic then use Fusil automático Bogotá (FaB 556) https://guns.fandom.com/wiki/FaB_556
Cool find – thanks!
yep except I have no idea if that works or not as the cartels down there have also supposedly made 50 bmg blowback weapons though with super short barrels.
Hi-Point should explore the Kiraly lever delay system. Cheap and simple, and they could make an American FAMAS.
Failing that, maybe resurrect the Blish lock. That would surely work.
WWII 20 mm cannon was blow back
They only have to redo the CZW 556.
https://youtu.be/MZu3zJ4dtL4
Once they finish prototyping the 37 lb bolt so that it can work as a simple blow back, we’ll be good.
Props to HiPoint for making these ugly but functional gun. If they partnered with Keltec they’ve have a monopoly on the cheap, ugly and high value firearms market
Acting classes may help.
A note on pistol-caliber long-barrel ballistics. On a blowback weapon the long barrel only gets you increased velocity about 2/3 of the way up. By then the propellant has burnt up, the gas has all expanded, and you are depending on inertial movement to get the bullet the rest of the way out the barrel, which meanwhile is imparting drag to the bullet by means of the rifling. Thus in 9mm you are better off with a heavier bullet, which there is not yet any such thing in .30 SC or even 7.65 Longue. My understanding is that there is a difference if the breech is locked — the bolt-action DeLisle Carbine, even suppressed, got impressive ranges out of subsonic .45. If anyone out there has a 9mm bolt-action rifle and a chronograph, please let’s hear from you.
“If anyone out there has a 9mm bolt-action rifle and a chronograph, please let’s hear from you.”
Just 2 weeks ago I chronoed 10 rounds of 124 grain 9mm largo (about the same power as slightly hot 9mm, 23mm case vs 19mm but lower pressure) in a 21″ spanish destroyer and got 1414fps. I load 147 grain bullets with tite group and per loading software it is all burned in the first few inches.
LDC points to excessive barrel length. Whilst true that once the propellant gas has expanded enough, the force to overcome friction exceeds the push from behind and the projectile slows, I do wonder if the blow-back action is dropping the pressure early? The chamber is larger than the bore, so a small rearward motion of the case drops pressure faster than the same increment forward for the bullet. Once the case loses the seal, pressure plummets. It should take a couple milliseconds to expel the projectile, so a modest delay (2,3 ms) before the case moves should see the cartridge deliver its maximum energy for that chamber and barrel.
9mm Largo was listed at 1167fps out of a 5.9″ barrel with a 127grain bullet. It appears that the next 15.1″ add around 250fps. I would have estimated a 400 fps increment, so 21″ may be about max effective barrel length in 9mm Largo.
200 grain .300 Blackout reload incoming.
Meanwhile, Othais at C&R estimated that the gas-seal Nagant he was discussing might gain 15-20% in velocity compared to similar unsealed revolvers. This seems generous to me, but indicates that any gap can make a real difference.
http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/gaptests.html ballistics by the inch says the cylinder gap doesn’t matter a lot until the gap gets quite big.
Pas tellement impressionné et je me demande a quell but?
Con putain toi! Que tu a mentionné le NRA Ian!
Si je deviens bloqué de ton site a cause de mes commentaires: tant mieux, tant pis- ta vraie nature sera exposée.
I’d like to see it used in a 2-gun match. You going to try it for that?
Please for the love of God get your stereo microphone fixed. My left speaker is blown & I have to put on my headphones to hear what you’re saying – in this case, the entire video is out of the left channel. Unless you’re pivoting to ASMR?
My setup I have the problem of not enough volume, though most other youtube vids are plenty load some have to decrease the volume
Thanks Ian! Like you, now I have to have one. My FFL closed up 2 weeks ago, I’ve talked to several others in Tucson, and they say the 3095 is not available. To whom do I speak to see about getting one? HiPoint?