The M1916 37mm gun was developed by the French and used primarily by French and American forces in WWI for destroying machine gun emplacements. It was fairly good at this under fluid, mobile conditions, but inferior to mortars for static trench warfare. It was still in limited service by World War II, but generally relegated to training and use as a sub-caliber addition for larger guns.
Ammunition was of two types initially, a 1-pound solid steel shell and a high explosive round. The solid round was found to be largely ineffective, and replaced with a bursting shell of cast iron and filled with black powder. Mounting for the gun was either a fixed tripod or wheeled carriage.
Mechanically, the M1916 used a rotating breechblock and hydraulic recoil absorber coupled with a spring recuperator. In addition to use as an infantry gun, the M1916 was also mounted in the early US M1917 Renault tank.
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I have a shell for the 37-85 PDPs. It has the numbers 256 and 1.18 stamped on it any idea what they mean?
I believe the PDP stands for the factory, “Pouderies de Paris”, and 37-85 means 37mm model of 1885. The 1.18 is the manufacture date, January 1918. I don’t know what the 256 signifies.
The 256 indicates the serial number i believe.
Hey I found the same shell 37-85 PDPs but different numbers 124 and 216 what’s the difference and are they valuable?
I have a 37mm round I found with markings that read E.M. 37mm M55A1-R.L.B I am wondering what these mean the shell is dated 1942
I believe that is a dummy training round form an M4 37mm cannon, which would have been mounted in a P39 Airacobra.
Hi I have a shell MARZ 1916 – MAGDEBURG SP252 408 POLTE
ANYBODY KNOWS WHERE IT FROM AND HOW OLD IT IS ?Y
Date is March 1916.
Origin is Magdeburg in northern Germany, part of the old DDR (East Germany)
Polte is probably the manufacturer.
SP252 408 the type and serial number!
Cheers Doug, Munich
Polte is the manufacturer-
Polte Armaturen- und Maschinenfabrik OHG in Magdeburg
Doug
I have a 37mm gun shell, and i dont know where its from or where it was manufactured. there only stands TAMPEON I, 37gun AND GEITILCO 1942.any anwser
I have one that says 37-85,,then pdp 43.10.14
My uncle was a Co. Commander in the Texas N.G. before WW2.
I have two 37 rounds.
One was a paper-weight on his desk, and has been fired so it’s in two parts.
The shell has: P.E.&M. Co., 37mm STEEL SHELL MARK I. The brass case has: AM LOT 1075-75-B, 37mm GUN MODEL OF 1916, lot 1075-105 PEM Co. Also carries the US Ordnance Corps. symbol stamped center, just under the primer, at the bottom is a W in a circle. The primer carries it’s own markings.
I’m looking to learn more about the 37mm gun model of 1916 empty shell casing I have. It is 2.95″ to the neck down angle, 3.61″ overall. Head stamp AML01090-44-B 4114-33 WPS Co. Was this used as an anti tank catridge? Seems to small to me. Thanks for any help. RJ
I have a related question concerning the 37 mm semi-automatic M1924 gun; this was allegedly fitted to the T1E4 version of the experimental US T1 Cunningham tank of the 1920s.
Does anyone know more about this?
Having done some more digging, I can partly answer my own question: the M1924 was a Browning design using a long-recoil action. It used a unique 37 x 124R round.
Hi. I just got one shell and I want to know more about it. Will appreciate any info. Thanks
It’s shell with the bullet
She’ll has markings PD.P 32.10.14 (HC). 37-85
C 1.17.7
B N3F AO 5.35 G.R
Bullet has markings – D. M34
Top of the bullet ( fuse ) has – G15216 and picture of the anchor.
Please let me know what all this markings mean.
Thanks.
I was cleaning out parents storage unit and came across a shell casing with what looks to be a candle holder on top with a eagle with some sort of fish in claws, on the other side of the shell there is two flags crossed at the bottom of where the flags make an X there is a capital A an E an F. also at the top of the flags on both sides it reads Souvenir on the other side of the flag it reads Cathedral at the very top where the flags cross there ll.H.E.I.M NOT SURE WHAT ANY OF THIS MEANS IF THERE IS ANY ONE OUT THERE THAT HAS ANY FEED BACK THAT WPULD BE VERY COOL . WHOEVER TOOK THE TIME TO DO THIS DID IT WITH A PUNCH A KNIFE AND TOOK THERE TIME IM ALMOST CERTIN THAT IT NOT PART OF MY FAMILY HISTORY.
Those are fairly common souvenirs from WWI. Some were just plain shell cases, some were inscribed with various things, and some were made into more decorative items, like yours.
You got Pics of this? I would love to see it!
Warren – AEF is American Expeditionary Force – the US Army in France in World WAr I. Almost certainly made by civilians to sell to Doughboys
I have a 37MM PDPs 338 WWI shell and round. It has no propellant and the round is steel (I checked with a magnet). Is there a possibility that the round has an explosive inside. I have had this souvenier for almost 60 years. The round is approx 3 1/4 inches long and has two copper or brass rings about two thirds down from the top.
Hello Blake, I was just reading your comment on the WW 1 shell you have and was wondering what response you received. I have a similar situation. I inherited the shell and no one knows anything about it. I’m concerned as you were if the shell has an explosive projectile. The casing is empty of powder as I can pull the projectile out. Thanks for whatever info. you may have. Regards, Terry
I just found an old shell casing as well. It says AMLOT 1090. 37mm gun model 0F1916 WPSCo. Lot 4. Nice heavy chunk of brass.
Have the same unspent shell / Lot 2. Assuming WW1
I have 2 shells but one is different than the other 37mm mk3a2 and it has some more numbers on it 6-225 78-15 m23a2
and it says a.p wich is armour piercing.
the other is weird looking mk 3 a2B1 lot e.c.a.s o.a.s. 1943 and on the big part not the casing but the main part of the shell has lot n.c.-13-1943-37mm
any idea what I have
i have a shell marked with intricate markings saying VERDUN is this a collectors item,trench art, or other?
I have some questions about my 37-85 shell:
1)on the shell it has two weird markings followed by the numbers 1 8 3
2)on the fuse, the charachters T,45217 are across the side
If you know what these markings mean, pleade share. Any and all help will be gladly accepted.
(The charachters on both the shell and fuse are read left to right while the shell is pointed away from you)
I have a ww1 shell. Markings 37. 1.18 was trying to find value! Can you help me out?
I have a 37MM WW1 1.17 round with projectile.(defused)
I looked up on Ebay and see these are currently being sold from $17 to $25.
I read an account by Gen. George Patton, a young officer in WWI, about firing these in training. A round exploded in the barrel of one gun, blowing the gunners head off.
After things were cleaned up, training resumed and, as unit commander, he felt called upon to set an example and fire the next shot.
He described it as a moment filled with reluctance.
I have 2 shell cases,1 dated 1916 must be German, 75m/m, markings dez, polte, Magdeburg.
2nd dated 1915, is 10cm & marked 18 pr11 as in2, inverted v 82 below it, think maybe British.
Cheers M.Turner.
Closing out the parents estate. FouND a 37mm that contained a note from my great grand father he was employed at the clear spring MD army proving ground as a kid I played around the long since abandoned grounds I understood they had biplane as well
Where could I find out more about its history? I’ve sent emails to Aberdeen and no responses. Any ideas?
Thanks
I have part of a shell on which the following has been stamped: 37-85 PDPs 272 9 17 and a symbol resembling an old-fashioned badminton birdie. Interestingly, it was fashioned into a dress uniform cap by my mother’s German-American uncle, a machinist living in California, who would have been about 24 years old in 1917. Thanks to this Web page, I now know that it would be a 37-mm 1885-model shell manufactured in the Pouderies de Paris factory in September 1917. I guess it hasn’t been clarified, yet, what is signified by “272.” I’m grateful to discover that my mother’s assumption that it is from WWII instead of WWI is incorrect, which makes sense, since her uncle would have been double that age by the time the Americans finally joined that latter war.
The 272 is the lot number of the round.
My Grandfather was in WWI and I found a keepsake he had for years. It is a DWM 1918 undischarged bullet. It appears as thought it was shot but was a dud. I guess it was from a German Luger or some sort. I was just wandering about it, It is three inches long and 7/16th wide. Any info on this would be nice.
Thanks
Sounds like an 8mm Mauser cartridge.
Thank you Ian, I will check on it. I suppose there are no collectors for this stuff?
Thanks for the info on this round.
I came upon a WW1 foot locker with a bunch of military stuff in it. I’m trying to return these items to places that will appreciate them.
One of the items is a 37mm explosive round that was made inert and converted to an oil lamp. It has Argonne Forest, Sept 30, 1918 Sgt CJ Gleneland etched on the side of the casing and Froidos (a small town in France) Nov 11 1918 etched into the base of the casing. Along with the manufacturing date of 1/18 and lot number of 278.
Mine says 37-85 PDPs 43.10.14
Can anyone tell me how much it might be worth?
I know they were used by a m1916 37mm gun
You might want to take a look on Ebay. They dont seem to fetch much.
I can’t find them on eBay. And from what I gather mines 1914 and also it hasn’t been fired, but it is empty
I have a shell 37-85
PDPs 137 1.16 can anyone tell me about this
I also have an inert 37mm shell that my grandfather (89th Div, artillery) brought home from WWI. It’s engraved for Armistice Day and the place he was when it occurred, Stenay, France.
We have a SC 1942 37mm M16 not sure when it was used lot 41-23138-4. Can anyone tell us anything about it
Hi, I have a large shell, and a round here. They’re both imprinted with ‘souvenir villers-bretonneux’ and dated 1914-1919. Can anybody tell me anymore about them? I’m also a little concerned as to if this is an actual live round! If you’d like to see a picture please ask and I’ll email you one.
I live in Estonia and in digging some post holes this week I found a bullet with the headstamp:
18 37 P69 (or P88) S*
DO you think this means – it was made in 1917, 37 mm, German manufacture.
I can find no reference re S*
Any info is appreciated
I just had this 37mm shell given to me. Here are the marking on it. The primer hasn’t been struck, so I don’t know if it is inert or not.
MARKINGS AS FOLLOWS:
AMLOT 1089 – 22B
37mm GUN
MODEL OF 1916
1836 – 9 W.P.S. Co
Shell is steel (checked w/a magnet)
Would appreciate any info on manufacturer or what this might have been used in / for.
Appropriate to respond to this thread today, one day before Armistice Day (now Veteran’s Day). I also have an inert 37-85 artillery shell. My grandfather served in the 164th Field Artillery Brigade, 340th Field Artillery, 89th Division, U.S. Army.
Mine is especially important to me because my grandfather had it engraved for Armistice Day, “11-11-18.” I have no idea if he had it engraved in France or Germany after the War (he was part of occupation forces after Versailles). What confounded me was that it is engraved “Benney, France” in addition to the date. I can’t find a town in France called Benney. A little research discloses that the 89th Division was in “Stenay, France” when the War ended. I’m guessing he never actually say a sign with the town’s name and misheard their location.
Love this sigt and your videos! I’m curious, what did a gun section for this weapon in the French Army look like? Sounds like it took four men to carry the gun, probably at least 3/4 more to carry ammunition? Then maybe a corporal or Sargent in charge? Were they integrated into Infantry companies or were they considered artillery?
Any info appreciated!
I have a 37mm shell.. the projectile and the casing have lot 1075-4… the projectile has a hole bored in the bottom that is threaded.. the numbers on the bottom of the brass are Am lot 1075-8 model of-1916
Lot 1075-16 Pemco.. thanks for any info at all
I have a 30mm round that says A 0.Co.1897 on the bottom of the projectile, and on the side its has N.C.T. with 2 anchors of each side of it, and underneath that there is a symbol that kind of looks like an A, but I have come to found that’s not what its is, any help on helping me identify this would be greatly appreciated, thanks.
I would greatly appreciate some info on an artillery shell casing marked BSC UMC 4-17 37m/m L74. My thought is it’s a 37mm high explosive round made by UMC, any more specific info that can be gleaned from the markings is desired. Thank you very much!
Have you attempted contacting UMC? They may have archives that are accessible.
I have a French one with a screwable spine on top with the symbols:L196 16 and an anker
In the bottom it says: 37-85 PD.Ps 84. .9.16 and a bomb sign. There are a line under the small s
Yours sounds exactly like mine, except mine has 27 instead of 84. Same date 9.16= Sept. 1916 and 37-85 means 37mm model of 1885 , PD.P_s except the “s” is above the line, the factory Pouderies de Paris (copied from forgotten weapons reply above)
I was volunteering at my town’s local museum, and found a casing very similar to the ones listed here, with the 37-85, PDPs, and 418 on the bottom. However, on the front of the casing, there is a German Gott Mit Uns insignia engraved onto it. If PDPs stands for a French company, how could this be?
Reading about my Great Grandfather and it seems he was part of a gun crew like this (HQ Company of the 326th Infantry, in the 82nd Div). Question: would these crewmen carry pistols or rifles while working with the gun? His discharge paperwork doesn’t mention proficiency in either, but I could not imagine running around a battlefield without a weapon. Rifle seems obvious as the standard infantry weapon, but wouldn’t that get in the way while working the gun?
I found a amlot 37mm gun model OF1916
LOT12867-19 WMFGCo is there with this thing?
I also have one that my Dad brought back from France from WWII. Looks like it would have been effective again light armor, and airplanes but nothing heavier. PE & M Co., USA
how can I post a pic of it?